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| Tired of Jesus , "NWO". and guns! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2008, 06:45 PM (1,372 Views) | |
| Citizen Pawn | Nov 13 2008, 06:45 PM Post #1 |
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I know I'll get flack from some of the uber faithfull, but I have to say it. After 8 years of "Jesus" by Neocon wingers, a LIFETIME of "Jesus" from TBN Trinity Broadcasting Network in the 80's, "Morals" from pastors like Benny Hinn, Hagee, Fallwell, Newt Gingrich, and so on and so on, etc. etc...."Jesus" from evangelicals which seem to pop up in every damn place in Government , even though their archaic ideals are equal to insanity in some cases...after all this...Alex Jones is getting on my nerves. I listen to him once in a while because, for the most part, he talks about things that are NOT mainstream, and if they are, he brings more light to subjects. But after his guest today (Bob Chapman), I have F**KING had enough of "Jesus" stuff. Look, if you want to believe that everything is 'biblical' , and that there are Demons and Angels fighting each other over our souls every second, fine by me. But seriously, I can't support or be comfortable with a 'movement' that has Alex Jones as one of it's prime leaders, if the guy INSISTS on having guests on that are borderline insane. The Bible this, the Bible that, "we're fighting a spiritual battle", blah blah blah. So fear of God from the Right, and then "glory to God" from the "Patriot Movement". Alex Jones ever think or flirt with the idea that maybe a huge part of his listeners, DON'T believe these things? "the Bible Says" commercials mixed with guests that keep talking about 'these end times'. Tired of it. GUNS: The "gun" talk is unbearable. I own guns too, and am a HUGE Second Amendment supporter. But shut the fuck up already about 'buy more guns' and 'get more ammo' and' they're trying to take our guns". It's enough already. It's overkill and it's sounding like complete mindless panic. I own guns for the sole reason of the day when something really huge goes down, specifically caused or initiated by a Government body. You don't see me in an all out panic acting like Stalin just got elected. Seriously, wtf? The "New World Order": Alex Jones and his guests, almost every one, with this "New World Order" stuff. Could someone please be more specific than "NWO"? It's not that I don't beleive that Elites plot to do nefarious shit to we 'lower humans', that's a given. But I need names. I need positions. I need titles and companies. I need faces. "New World Order" doesn't cut it. And Alex Jones' reasoning for such a broad title has NEVER made sense in all these years. "New World Order" is an IDEA. It's an Orwellian Philosophy. It's not a damn Club. But Aex Jones keeps saying it over and over. He's even saying MORE nowadays than ever. It comes out of his mouth at least once every 3 minutes, that and the word "LITERALLY". I'm just tired of it all. I think this is one of the main reasons that many people don't want to have anything to do with any of the "Liberty" movements. The Liberty movements are infested with Wingers. I can't keep up with the rhetoric. I can't keep feeling like I am being bombarded by propaganda of a 'different' kind. It's becoming more cult like every day, and people like Alex Jones don't seem to notice or care. I wish Alex would just shut the hell up and talk about the facts or 'truth'. Instead it's like he's calling for people to be 'Warriors for Christ"....or something. |
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| FUNWO | Nov 13 2008, 07:40 PM Post #2 |
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I can tell you the names of the people that are definitely in it. Kissinger, Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Bill Kristol, Rupert Murdoch, Brzezinski, W. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Cheney, Brown, Blair, Sarkozy, Schäuble, Merkel, Aznar, etc are just a few. But faces are changing and they are only the front line the massmedia is showing us. And who do these puppets belong to or do assosiate with? Rockefeller, Rothschilds, monarchs and the US-Britisch-Empire+Israel. Just a little image: ![]() And what circles do they surround or where do they meet? UNO, EU, Trilateral Commission, Rand Cooperation, Club of Rome, The Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, 300, FED, oculists clubs, Fremasons, Rosacruz (aka Rosenkreuzer, aka Rosecrusian), satanists, 13 most influential Families of the world (Illuminati) and even more you never heard of or never thought they were infiltrated by them. If you need an explanation how that systems works see David Icke in this video, because he explained the pyramidical system behind it at best. Lot of them are in several of those groups as you can imagine. And some of them founded and financed those groups and are therefore on the top of the hierarchy or the agent of a master that does not want that the public knows his influence in the world. In short: everybody that is stupid enough to believe that globalism and world goverment is a great idea is their pawn. Whatever they told them to believe that, most of the time it was a lie. The ones who saw that centralisation of power is only facilitating total, undemocratic, domination of the masses by very few, very rich people behind their puppets and are therefor against globalism are not NWO-material. See ENDGAM3 - Alex Jones FU NWO! Edited by FUNWO, Nov 14 2008, 03:14 AM.
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| Tim Riches | Nov 13 2008, 07:57 PM Post #3 |
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I'm with Citizen Pawn in every particular. (excellent post!) |
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| chrisfarb | Nov 13 2008, 08:53 PM Post #4 |
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Me too. Alex really lost me after the Peter Joseph interview. His drama was entertaining in the past, now it's just dumb. Edited by chrisfarb, Nov 13 2008, 10:15 PM.
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| FUNWO | Nov 14 2008, 03:10 AM Post #5 |
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There we go. You want to bash Alex Jones once again? I am very suspicios of every so called Truther that bashes any of the most prominent figures in the movement and want only to divide. What is your agenda behind it and how does that help the truth movement? Alex Jones is the one and only. You do not have a better researcher than him. Not because of his research, but because he is spreading the message like no other. He is attacked permanently, but he is still there presenting the most accurate information you can have on the internet. And by the way he never failed me and I listen to him for years now. Edited by FUNWO, Nov 14 2008, 03:11 AM.
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 14 2008, 09:24 AM Post #6 |
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I've been aware of those people you listed for about 21 years FUNWO. I'm 34 now and we were talking about this stuff in Junior High. You didn't need to MAKE the list. I wasn't necessarily asking 'who these people are', as if I didn't know. But notice how NOTHING on that list says "secret order of the new world" , or "order of the new world' or 'club of new world orderism'. I think it's great you know the 'who's'. That's what I encourage. Names and places. Real stuff. Not the "NWO" meme that makes it appear like a Warcraft Game. as in "The New World Order is a cool guild guys. They have epic Crits when they attack. But don't aggro them when they're together or else you'll have to Hearthstone out"....you get the picture. Saying "NWO" all the time doesn't do anything for me.
It's interesting that the guy with the name "FUNWO", hops on this thread in defense, and then accuses of others having an 'agenda', all while not even saying to himself "hey you know, I think Citizen Pawn had a point. I just posted the names specifically and that could really help people understand better than saying "New World Order". Omg, Citizen Pawn might have a point." Never that huh?
You're right, I'm not worthy.
Okay, thanks for being a fanatic.
That's debatable. But Alex Jones IS one of the best. Agreed. It's what he spins AFTER the information is given, that I have problems with. Alex is FULL of speculation about the 'future'. I don't appreciate that part of him. I'm not bashing him on his research or 'truthiness' skills. I'm angered at his recent upping of rhetoric along with his "Jesus" slants on things with guests. And the FEAR factors of his shows are getting to me. I'm tired of every single show being about "Folks, they're going kill us all next week, I guarantee you" and then a guest of his says "Alex , the scripture says that this shall happen. God warned us all. I think Satan is trying his best. Let us pray Alex, for the protection of Jesus and the Angels so that we can be obedient GAWD warriors for Christ against the NWO". It's too much for me. I'm not a Christian. I support everyone's right to their own beliefs. If you want to believe in a mainly Jewish influenced Zombie Religion laced with Vampirism and secret 'parables', be my guest. Just know that those of us that don't think the world is influenced by Mages and Priests are finding it hard to stay with any "movement' like that. Just like our Government, leave religion out. I didn't become part of the 'movement' to fight for "good". I'm not a soul warrior, I don't live my life based on Dogma (anymore). When I do things in life, I don't think " what does the bible say about this?". And I'm tired of thinking I have to be a proud Anglo Saxon Christian to be part of this, because that is what I am getting. Can we just keep "Jesus" out of political activism and discussion? Please. I'm begging. |
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| tower | Nov 14 2008, 09:42 AM Post #7 |
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God damn it, now I can't take the song out of my head! Also, it would be nice to have more rationality and less Bible prophecies on the Alex Jones show. |
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| Miragememories | Nov 14 2008, 10:49 AM Post #8 |
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I'm in full agreement with you Citizen Pawn. I think Alex Jones means well but he's been so immersed in his own worst fears that he's lost his perspective. Aligning himself with bible thumpers is ignoring all the past and continuing harm that is the consequence of religious dogma. It's hard enough posting to forums like this over a long period without losing it. There will be a new world order whether we like it or not. Things just can't continue as they have in the past. We need to approach the future with our eyes wide open. Letting others tell us what to think and see is the fastest way to lose control of our future. MM |
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| FUNWO | Nov 14 2008, 05:09 PM Post #9 |
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I was just too polite in my last post and you did not get the point. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE THINKING THEY CAN BASH ALEX JONES OR MARC DICE ALL THE TIME JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE EMOTIONAL UNSTABLE. Normaly I ignore such threads, but I visit different forums internationaly or read a lot of platforms and everywhere I go there is some stupid that thinks he has to tell in a negativ way what he thinks about Alex Jones. And nobody has pointed out all the times he was perfectly right and predictied events or had wonderful guests. Some of you do think that you have to tell us redundantly how crazy he was on air. How about telling us where you live, what your names are and where you work and it would be nice to see what you look like also, just to make sure you have the balls to expose yourself publicly and then defend your position like Alex Jones does. I can not do that, but I admire people who do. I never made a thread about it, but you wanted to tell us what you are tired of, so let's all discharge our real feelings on this forum, right. Alex Jones has named a few times the culprits if you listen carefully, but do you want a radio host to accuse publicly a legal person? It is smart to call them some groupname. Anyway as you said above EVERYBODY, EVEN TEENAGERS, knows who the members of the NWO are. You see your point has no value there. I dislike myself religions, but I am tolerant and knowing that nobody is perfect I do respect peoples believe. Where is the point to dislike people just because they believe in Jesus. I heard that a lot of Americans do. Guns, perfect with me if they do not kill people with them or point them at me. I wish my country would sell guns in the super markets like in the USA. What is so wrong if people are prepared in case some revolution starts? If you are defenseless then it would be too late to start arming and if Alex Jones is wrong and nothing happens in the next two years, then he will lose all his listeners, because then he would have lost his credibility. The reality is that all his critics that attacked him several years ago, like Nico Haupt and WingTV, have lost their credibility and he is still there. At the moment his credibility is high, but your agenda is to undermine that and that is the reason you started this thread, right? But please do not tell me you have no friends, because you have to watch for your mother and that is the reason you have to tell on a public forum what you are tired of. If you think fighting all the Parky76s of this world is the real deal. Have fun with that. My tactics say it is the wrong way to fight a pyramid. If Parky76 is eliminated he is easy to replace and there are thousands of him you have to fight. After that you can fight the police, fbi, cia, the military, the whole military-industrial complex and so on. How about attack the real leaders of this world and replace them from very above to have a different world and gain back democracy? Not your way? OK. But do not criticize people that are valient enough and are fighting the NWO with all their possibilities and the way they want. Edited by FUNWO, Nov 14 2008, 06:34 PM.
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| JFK | Nov 14 2008, 05:33 PM Post #10 |
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I'd like to know which supermarket you are referring to.... There is a permit process which involves a background check here.
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 14 2008, 08:11 PM Post #11 |
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Funwo, You just came out with a whole post of nonsense. How do you expect me to really answer an absurd tirade? I could just flap around my arms like a chicken and make noises and it would be an equal response. Calm the hell down dude. You have comprehended NOTHING out of what I said. You simply take it as 'bashing Alex Jones". If I didn't give a crap about Alex Jones and his show, the quality of it, feeling like I'm being driven away by him and his 'people', do you think I would have started a thread about it? If I didn't give a shit, I wouldn't even bother expressing my concerns. But you're a fanatic. And you're the one talking about 'mental stability'? Reread your posts when you cool down, then take a guess who looks like an 'unstable' one here. Fucks sake man. Do you think the world is some place where you NEVER question 'leaders'? You want to question all these other world leaders but not Jones? Think man, that's how CULTISTS act. And who would create a thread about the 'great things' Alex Jones has done? People rarely create appreciation for so and so threads. You want to start an Alex Jones appreciation thread, have at it. I myself appreciate Alex's 'work'. But sometimes, I don't really know his end motive. I wish I could feel he is 100% genuine, I just don't. I know there a loads of people out there who will scream bloody murder if you say anything negative about Alex Jones. And honestly, they, you, creep me out. I think you should question everyone and everything. When you speak of someone as if they are a Saint or Messiah , you are asking for trouble. And I just noticed another illogical part of your post. We both agree that Alex Jones ' names names" frequently on his show. But then you say, he wouldn't do that against a "legal' person. WTF are you talking about. If that's not doublespeak, I don't know what is. Why can't you see that the whole, every 5 minute, "New World Order" meme is old? Have you listened to his shows lately? I feel like I'm at church sometimes. I feel like I'm expected to be some "warrior for Jesus" in these 'end times. Dude, it's crazy. I just realized that I can't listen to his show anymore, lol. I JUST had the epiphany. This is madness. What the fuck makes me think that I could actually change the direction Alex is going from this stupid thread?LOL What the hell. What makes me think I can talk sense into thousands of Alex Jones fanatics heads? This thread has reminded me YET AGAIN, that Cultists are surrounding me at all times. Even when a 'movement' is born of something pure, like exposing the Government, it too, becomes a Cult. That's why people suck ass. Every major political movement gets corrupted into a personality cult eventually. I'm so sick of it. I'm sick of feeling like the minds of other humans are being infested from every direction. THAT'S my anger. It's all reverted back to the "patriot movements" of the 70's and 80's. The "Militia' types that became so obsessed they lost their minds and demanded that this is a "Christian Nation' and that Guns were life. It wasn't about the Second Amendment, they were full of shit. They wanted a 'culture', they wanted a 'society'. And now I see it again in Alex. He's reverted back right before my eyes. His attitude, his guests, the whole thing is now going back to the "right' again. Go back and study anything written by the Militia Movements decades ago. The same thing. Guns interlaced with Bible Versus and a mainly Anglo base "fighting for God and country'. Not concerned citizens anymore, these people had a CULTURE. I lived through it and saw it. I'm not going to do it again with Alex. |
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| bretwalda | Nov 16 2008, 02:11 AM Post #12 |
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I can't blame anyone for having a bad taste in their mouth regarding Christianity if your list of 'christians' is the standard by which the faith is to be judged - but to lump AJ in with those frauds? C'mon. You stated that he's one of the best researchers. What makes you think his faith has no correlation with his being a good researcher? Are you assuming he checks his facts and rational at the door when it comes to the God question? If so from what omniscient basis can you say so? I don't understand why a radio host can't have his own take ('spin') on things, to the disdain of those who insist his views are a "Jewish influenced Zombie Religion laced with Vampirism and secret 'parables'". Seems hypocritical IMO. But I've heard AJ insist this is not 'his' movement nor does he want it. So I guess turning him off and striking out on your own would be exactly what he would tell you to do. I've never witnessed him pushing his faith on ppl. I have heard him say if you're a proponent of this murderous, tyrannical system that is gaining control your going to hell. That's not being a 'winger' - that's just calling someone out for being a $hit and telling him his rightful place - whether you believe in the place or not wouldn't you agree? I've heard him say whether or not you believe in a being that exists in antithesis to God "thats fine but [the powers that be] do." That's just a fact. But as someone who shares his same faith - why wouldn't I talk about it? It is the lens through which I view the world. Its the basis by which I live my life. I'm pretty damn pleased with it - I'd like more to join my team so I'm gonna talk about it. It's no different from the Zeitgeist type bobbleheads who rant on in rejection of any absolutes and claim anything less is insanity...which is something I've never understood - if there is no God - why would one waste one neuron in attacking any claim that there is? I think Icke is wack with his reptilians and pushing new age self-salvation - but I don't find him intolerable or worthy of disdain. AJ is just operating from a well researched, well-exegeted understanding of his faith. Unlike the masses of 'christian' dolts who think the end of the world is a cue to board the rapture bus and to hell with all God-haters (or better yet "lets send them there"), he understands that nothing found in scripture regarding the last days happens in a vacuum. There is autonomy by which these things are willfully allowed to happen. Likewise regarding the last days scripture says that many will come to a saving faith in Christ. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen thanks to white Republican pew occupiers that could give a care about anything but themselves. Jones as a Christian is planting seeds, others water, others will harvest - God is the one working through the actions of his saints. And I'm sure he's well aware of the fact that scripture suggests that many non-christians will reject the beast system as well - which is to his over-arching emphasis of resisting tyranny - an emphasis he welcomes all stripes to lend thier ears and voice to. Christians should be waging a spiritual battle - too bad they dont. Spiritual battle for most nowadays is voting republican, or reading some chain letter nonsense on islamofacism, or dealing with petty personal problems. If they ever cracked open their own creed they'd learn that the battle is against the 'the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil' (Eph.6:12ESV). In the true light of what is meant by such rhetoric I would bet its much more palatable. Guns: Of all the right-leaning pro 2nd ammendment ppl I know - about half of them own a gun. The data suggests moderates and even the left is starting to catch onto this vital right - I think his point is: "get a damn gun already." People need to be told what to do - sadly. Some people need to be constantly reminded what to do - not sure though how much good those types having a gun is going to do anyways. NWO: ""New World Order" is an IDEA". Exactly. I don't think he would say any different. Who's NWO? - anyone pushing it tenants. Bush is NWO. Obama is NWO. Blackwater is NWO...I've never gotten the impression that he believes NWO is some esoteric cabal. Of course they do associate with their kind and do often meet in secret - but I don't think thats the point. It is uncanny how much of the actual term "new world order' I've been hearing off the tube of late...Charlie Rose was going off on it last night like a giddy lover. I do think the dude can put out some seriously negative vibes, but I think its inevitable as someone who continually, for a living, is peering into the belly of the beast. I have to listen in moderation - my wife can tell when I've had him on FWIW - I would highly recommend this book trilogy. Schaeffers' whole point as an apologist was 'Rationalism as the basis for Christianity' At the least it would give you an idea where those of the Christian faith, not 'religion' are coming from. BTW F.S. was up on the whole NWO 'idea' gig waaaay back in the early 70's - and was calling it out by that name. If you google video his name you might find a TV series he did that was pretty good. It was called 'How shall we then live?' Edited by bretwalda, Nov 16 2008, 02:30 AM.
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| William Rea | Nov 16 2008, 03:53 AM Post #13 |
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I've never listened to any of Alex Jones' shows but, I have heard him guesting on radio shows here in the UK and the guy just makes me switch off. He presents himself as badly as any Televangelist I have ever had the misfortune to hear and just leaves me thinking, what is this guy trying to sell me? It's like Billy Graham on acid. As an atheist (recently converted agnostic) I got tired of Jesus a long time ago. The reality is actually worse than the Dungeons and Dragons NWO fantasy that I read about on t'intewebs. Guns should be controlled, anyone that wants a gun that badly clearly should not be allowed to own one. |
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| tower | Nov 16 2008, 04:53 AM Post #14 |
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Of course he can, as long as he doesn't tell everyone that it's an unbiased version.
Do you even read what you write?
A religious "lens" through which you view the world is a lense that skews and distorts reality in order for it to conform with the dogma. I have no trouble with you or Alex believing whatever you want, but keep that away from journalism or you won't be treated seriously.
You do realise you're talking about a fictional being?
There is no spiritual battle to wage. There is no horned man with a trident squirming every time you say your Lord's Prayer, there is no supernatural warfare.
Sounds like extreme fascism. The New World Order is not a clique of James Bond evil guy types sitting in a dark room conspiring against you. It's a political idea of the future being centered around the wealthiest, where politics is meaningless because all the power comes from the economic influence of individuals and corporations. |
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| alexvegas | Nov 16 2008, 05:22 AM Post #15 |
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Being a good researcher requires knowledge, not faith. Any good researcher would not rely on faith at all, but on the evidence they are presented with. So, the reason his faith has no correlation with his being a good researcher is because it is simply impossible for that to be the case. |
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| FUNWO | Nov 16 2008, 08:21 AM Post #16 |
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Pawn, you put forward the opinion that my post was "nonsense", "absurd" and that I do comprehend "nothing". For making such claims you need the analytical abilities to evaluate properly the sentences you read and first to comprehend the statements the way they are formulated and intended. In my opinion you lack of such abilities, because I see wrong generalizations, misunderstandings, wrong comparisons, you dislike the concept of relativism and it seems you can not separate your rational conclusions from your feelings. The real problem you are facing here with me is that I do not fall to group conformity and you may have 20 people saying an apple is an orange, but I will still trust my own evaluation and my rational deductions if I have made my conclusions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tXPIfBkzhs I say respectful that you can not take criticism, but you still think you can criticize whoever you want based on wrong rational deductions and conclusions. It is derailing again the discussion in a different way you wanted to, but I see a bigger problem over here. I will explain everything I have said now. Let's evaluate the propositions we made the scientific way and with logical methods to have a constructive criticism here. Every proposition and conclusion will be marked as true (t) or false (f) to make it easy to understand. Wrong generalizations As an example if it is given that Obama is a president of the USA and he is black. Then you have following propositions: a.) Obama is an US-president. (t) b.) Obama is black. (t) You can make now following assertions. a.) Some presidents are black. (t) b.) All presidents of the US are black. (f) c.) Obama is the first black president. (f) d.) Obama is the first black US-president. (t) e.) Obama is the only US-president ever. (f) You see it is very easy to spot the wrong generalization. Wrong conclusion were based on the assumption that you can always swap the direction of the assertions and ignore the relations. C.) and d.) were not verified by the two assertions alone, but can be evaluated with common historical knowledge. 1. Now let's use some examples of our sentences and how you made a wrong generalization when you said "you're a fanatic". Again some assertions: a.) There are some fanatics of Alex Jones. (t) b.) Fanatics admire him. (t) c.) Some fan boys do never have doubts and they never criticize. (t) d.) Some fanatics have doubts and do have constructive criticism. (t) e.) Alex Jones is screaming real loud and sometimes he is annoying. (t) Possible Conclusions: a.) Everybody who admires some aspects of somebody (Alex Jones) and respects him never criticizes him. (f) b.) If you admire some aspects of somebody then your are a fanatic of him. (f) c.) If you admire some aspects of somebody then you still can have doubts and criticism and you also are allowed to articulate them. (t) d.) If somebody listens to Alex Jones for years, it means he listens to him every day and he is fanatic. (f) 2. NEVER question 'leaders'? a.) Somebody is fed up with constant and redundant criticism. (t) b.) He sees a pattern of nonconstructive criticism in Digg, Youtube and different forums. (t) c.) A few times he does not say anything when he sees somebody criticizing. (t) d.) Once he asks for objective criticism and more rational thinking, to be concerned to where the critic leads and to reduce the frequency. (t) Possible conclusions: a.) He never allows to question somebody? (f) b.) He may be criticizing the redundancy and the exaggerations. (t) 3. Jesus -> religious faith -> fanaticism -> CULT a.) Alex Jones is a radio host and has a few websites with alternative information. (t) b.) Alex has a strong faith in god. (t) c.) Sometimes he has some guests on his radio show who are a bit too evangelical. (t) d.) Alex never made a secret about that he is a strong believer. (t) e.) Religions are irrational. (t) Possible conclusions: a.) His listeners are indoctrinated, dogmatic and are increasingly fanatics of Jesus. (f) b.) All the listeners who defend Alex Jones are members of a cult. (f) c.) Alex Jones is always irrational. (f) 4. Gun owners Feel free to evaluate your conclusions from Alex Jones defending the second amendment and leading you to compare his listeners to radical "Militia" that have "lost their minds". You compare things that do not match, you make wrong generalizations and you come to wrong conclusion. Plus you make no difference in the semantics of words. In every language I know there is a distinction between naming somebody and accusing somebody of something. I tough you were old enough to understand that, but I can explain that to you also. For example: If Alex Jones says he hates Rockefellers and Rothschilds, then it is his own opinion that he is allowed to articulate, because of his freedom of speech. If Alex Jones accuses Cheney of being a murder, then he possibly can get a lawsuit if he can not present evidence to back that up.
I really do not know, because if I were a Alex Jones fanatic, I would not take any advice from you since you lack of rational thinking. Imagine you were the one who makes more sense and you have to explain me how you feel. Would you please pick two of your biggest concerns that you have right now about the future of this world from this list? a.) World financial crisis. b.) Possibility of World War III after a new false flag. c.) Possibility of revolution in the USA, because of a new false flag on US soil and the world financial crisis. d.) Martial Law. e.) Military troops controlling the crowd in the USA and Europe. f.) Powell, Biden, Brzezinski and CIA predicting a new act of Terrorism in the first 270 days of the Obama presidency. g.) G20 deciding path into World Government. h.) Alex Jones screaming real loud. i.) Armed citizens forming a Militia to defend themselves and making a pain in the ass to control them for Homeland Security and the control freaks. j.) Parky76. I encourage you to make more threads with the priority of the topics you are most concerned with to represent what your real interest are. That was the reason I asked you what your agenda was. I thought we had enough bash postings lately, that is all. Was that calm enough for you? Because I am perfectly calm now. - As always. Edited by FUNWO, Nov 16 2008, 09:28 AM.
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| bretwalda | Nov 16 2008, 11:39 AM Post #17 |
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Do you even read what I write? Proof texting will never cut it for me bub - read the paragraph and get some context. Claiming omniscience - a logical fallacy. A very big one for atheist nutters. Claiming omniscience, red herring, claiming omniscience. Speak to the subject - not what your own faith (atheism) demands of you. Hmmm - and being atheist, you can speak with authority (your next logical fallacy)from this how? Well I can't help you think critically. If you think my context advocates extreme fascism then you've demonstrated how shallow this debate really sits in your noggin kiddo.
I never said it did. Your failing to acknowledge that there can be a reverse correlation. I.E. through my research I come to a faith (a personal belief) about X. Edited by bretwalda, Nov 16 2008, 11:50 AM.
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| mynameis | Nov 16 2008, 12:01 PM Post #18 |
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Excellent post. I don't have anything against a religion, I have qualms against foisting their religion on others unnecessarily. AJ could cut a lot of his program down WO all the christofascist stuff that merely hold people back from focusing on the old boy networks of that criminal organization. As long as people seek out the religious aspects others like him will be handicapped, we will not earn a peaceful planet with zealotry. If you haven't noticed zealotry causes more disunity than anything else.
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 16 2008, 01:38 PM Post #19 |
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FUNWO, Thank you for at least getting closer to addressing what I said IN MY POST, this time.
It would be more constructive to just name the ISSUE you think I am asserting, rather than give a list of possibilities about ""Obama". I'm not getting your point here.
All true agreed. The only reason I said you're a 'fanatic' was because you walked like a duck. Remember this statement?
Sorry if it seems you were another frothing Jones bot. Maybe it came out wrong?
Yes, he's tired of people criticizing him. He wishes people would focus more on the issues than him. Well, that's what people have doe. Many have. But he's still 'figurehead' to the people in the 'movement'. He even says himself that is not his wish. But yet thousands of SHEEP in the movement (not ALL of the truth movement), need a Shepherd. At the same time , Alex has claimed that he "was responsible for starting the whole Liberty/Truth/ Patriot movement. I've heard him say it with my own ears. So what does he expect from his fans that NEED a "leader", unlike some of us? He sets up the dilemma.
CORRECT!! Which is exactly what I'm guilty of. And on that note, I have 'admired' things about very evil and sadistic people, if you want to go there. Most people have 'admirable' qualities, it doesn't mean anything to me. Peoples end result are what matters. The sum of their quest, the sum of their effect, the sum of their INTENTIONS. You seem to think or feel as a rail against Alex Jones is against his entire being. Alex Jones is a MUCH stronger man, and a MUCH more productive person than I ever was or possibly will be. That's not the point. I am a musician by 'trade'. I criticize musicians up the ass to the point that it's a joke with everyone that knows me. I can concentrate on how a musician used a damn effect the 'wrong way'. I'm highly critical of things I am passionate about. For instance, TOOL(and all their offshoot bands) are the main bands I admire. I think the whole group of the TOOL 'movement' are geniuses. I think Maynard James Keenan is a genius. I rail against Maynard all the time and I think he is one of the most enigmatic and artistic writers of all time. I am a SELF ADMITTED FANATIC of his, and I still question his 'decisions' as a musician. Get the point?
Nope. a.) MANY of his listeners are indoctrinated, Dogmatic and are increasingly fanatics of "Jesus".(t) b.) MANY of the listeners who defend Alex to the hilt and shrivel under criticism of him while foaming at the mouth like Cultists over their Messiah, are members of a cult. (t) c.) Alex Jones has MANY irrational thoughts, but is still VERY educated(t).
I'm a Libertarian. I know "Second Amendment" supporters when I see them. Many of Alex Jones' followers are not just that. Many people hide under the Second Amendment issue, when they are GUN ENTHUSIASTS. For them it's a culture, a way of life, a fear mechanism and a right of passage. I'm not a fucking gun enthusiast. Guns kill, guns are instruments of death period. While necessary, there is nothing 'cool' about guns. Refer to the "Patriot Movements" and the "Paramilitary" movements of the 70's and 80's. Alex Jones is coming from the same cloth and he has attracted many of the "Gun Nuts" of the militia era. P.S. They were very Right Wing also. Many hid under the wings of the Jon Birch Society. There is nothing new under the Sun. Alex says that all the time. Well it's ironic isn't it?
I'm quite rational.
Alex Jones 'screaming' and Parky76 are VERY low on the list. Now this is where I think you are full of ever loving SHIT!!!!! On this forum, and the other forum I made MANY posts which were not personal or low on the totem pole in nature. When I make a thread that is not really important to the grand scale I ALWAYS feel guilt and state so in my posts. How FUCKING DARE you make it seem like my M.O. is to distract or that my priorities are with trivial shit. The threads I started here (and on the other forum) about important research or topics, got little attention. People wanted to talk more about 'Media" type topics and such. So I got the hint to just go with the forum flow. I can't talk about 'serious' shit all the time, sometimes I like to just vent, and I admit when it's 'just venting'. The Alex Jones thread was a vent. A vent about something important to me. Who are you to say what priority it holds for me. How dare you compare me to someone starting a 'Britney Spears" thread. After all the BULLSHIT threads I've seen go up in this place, you have a problem when I, a person that rarely posts in the first place, starting two threads about "people"? And the "Parky76" thread was an admitted deviation from my norm . I prefaced it with that.
I'm hardly here and hardly ever post. Don't even try to slight me as someone who is concerned with menial crap over substance. Don't EVEN try it dude. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 16 2008, 01:45 PM Post #20 |
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And to add. I made the Parky thread for a specific reason. I am NOT allowed on JREF, and I got tired of his SLANDER of good people. Good people that represent a 'movement' close to my heart. It may of not been Priority in the grand scale, but priority otherwise, to me. He slanders a people that discuss those VERY issues that ARE on the top of the priority list. People like him should be exposed more and more. I just opened the dialog not to just talk about "Parky" but the mindset against people like us. The slanderous nature of it all. I have my 'reasons' for doing things. And I know for a fact, those 'reasons' work. I'm a lot more aware of human nature than you might think. |
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| FUNWO | Nov 16 2008, 03:57 PM Post #21 |
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I would have preferred you would have answered the question correctly instead of starting your emotional distraction. Anyway, congratulation in spotting two of the topics that do not fit there.
No, I do not have any problem with that. I am not your conscience and I am not your father. Feel free to do what you want as long it does not commit a murder. You are responsible for your own actions. I told you that already, remember? You are great playing offended if somebody compares you with your own standards and gives you a taste of your own medicine. At least I am confronting you right in front of you instead of running to some forum and criticize somebody who is not there to answer to your "constructive criticism". You are quite the same age as Alex Jones and you have a problem with his topics. Now let's compare Pawn to Alex Jones. That is a bit far fetched, right? But can you be a role model for our movement? (You do not need to answer that. This time it was a rhetorical question.) The problem is, you do not walk in his shoes, you do not have better solutions on how to deal with world politics, you are not as committed as him, you do not get the threads he gets nor understand his situation emotionally, but you think you are tired of his way. Here is news, he is a human being with the errors as everybody else. Now I tell you, what you can do to prevent more unsatisfying emotions. Shut the radio off, do not listen to him. Do not run around and expect everybody applauding your feelings of being tired if you do not even have better tactics than Alex Jones and shows us how you gained your presumptuous position to know how Alex Jones should do his radio show. This forum should be full of people preparing to prevent the next false flag that Brzezinski has planed on US soil to welcome Obama in his presidency. It will cost a lot of lives and it will be blamed on Al Qeada and then they will start the next war against Pakistan, because they will say Al Qaeda is over there. You hear me? Who the hell gives something about your private agenda with somebody on JREF? It is not even in my concern to have everybody researching this prediction that Daniel Estulin has told us, but I would appreciate to see anybody here fixing his priorities. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 16 2008, 05:39 PM Post #22 |
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Oh thanks for the wise words oh sage of LCF.
I would tell this to Alex Jones directly if I could. In fact I have tried to all him on his show. Very hard to get on the line. I have sent him emails also, no response, he's a busy guy, so it makes sense. I'm "offended" because your take on me is wrong. If you said something like "Citizen Pawn can be an asshole sometimes" you would be correct in your assertion. "Citizen Pawn gets very passionate about ignorance" You would be correct. "Citizen Pawn sometimes writes very angry sounding critiques of people in tect", you would be correct. These things are true. This tripe you have mad this whole affair into is NOT TRUE. Spot the difference.
Oh really? You know what I think and what solutions I would have? You sound like the collegiate "Chomsky" worshipers now.
Agreed. But I also am not a committed Chess Player, but if someone makes a bad move in Chess, I notice and may say something. Whatever.
Huh????
Stating the obvious.
Just about there, thanks.
I stated a rant about certain aspects of Alex Jone's version of the 'truth movement' whcih anger me. I won't apologize.
There you are with this "agenda" thing again. I have no agenda with that person. I made a thread about him to talk about his/ their/ peoples slander of the movement. You don't like it, tough ass cookies. This is all about your feeling that Alex Jones is superior somehow. This is all about your DEFENSE of him, which is understandable. But after all this time you and I have spent going back and forth you still haven't really addressed the core issues. 1) Much of the "Movement" listens to Alex Jones. Therefor it can be concluded that Jones' opinions, rantings, fears, speculations, etc. affect the way that people think. He's responsible for much of the tone in the "movement'. So I, being someone concerned with the movement, will note how his 'logic' or mindset is affecting it. I have that right and I'm exercising it. You saying things like "Alex Jones is human", or "And who the hell are you to speak" or "And everyone makes mistakes"....means nothing to me. Your posts mean zero to my concern. As far as I'm concerned you're just waving banners for him so far. 2) Alex Jones is a "Christian" and many of his listeners are. I want facts about political workings. I want to be educated about these things(which Alex has done a great deal of in making me aware of certain contemporary things). I do NOT want to talk about Sky Fairies, I do not want my fellow concerned citizens talking about Sky Fairies, Ghosts, Goblins, Ghouls, and Wizards. This is the Truth Movement, not Jim Jones. Alex and his listeners keep up with it, I'm gone. I know you could give a crap, I wouldn't either, but it's a fact. And MANY more think like I do. You have a problem with my posts?? You have a problem with the feelings of many. 3) Alex Jones is attracting more "Gun Enthusiasts". NOT Second Amendment advocates like me. You still have YET to discuss what this means. You still have YET to talk about the implications of a NEO gun culture being reverted back to, reminiscent of decades old Right Wing Movements. You still have YET to see the implications of a CULT like attitude infiltrating more moderate "Libertarian" movements. It's important, learn from history. Or do you know this history? 4) The term "New World Order" is overused by him. Which has spawned hordes of mimicking YouTubers, Bloggers, Forum members, and activists WORLDWIDE to have that as the meme. It's recent, it's because of Alex's revisiting of the old "Patriot Movement" slogans of the 80's. This may be news to you, but people were chanting "New World Order" in the early 80's, it's bumper sticker garbage. Cults do things like slogans. Alex makes fun of the "Yes we can" or "Change" meme of Obama(which I agree), yet Alex has his own slogans. They're on his show, an his ads, everywhere. "NWO" doesn't do much for me. One area where I agree with Tarpley. Saying "New World Order" makes otherwise educated people , like Alex, seem like bumpkins. I'm guessing you weren't around or payed attention to the Constitutionalists or Patriot movements back then. Maybe you would understand why I'm tired of it. This happened before Jones and won't end with him. 5) And finally, Religiosity and Cult belief plague this nation and have for centuries. I am an avid opponent of group think and collectivism. I see it in Alex Jones and his true blue fans I don't like it. I am going to speak out on it and rant and get angry about it all I want. Why? Because it is toxic. It is more toxic than MOST things you can name. It has caused wars and suffering, political subversion, you name it. If Alex Jones and his version of "the movement" start to go there, I'm going to speak out on it. I don't care if 300 people on a forum oppose my solitary 1 vote for "Nay", you included. But it seems you and I don't see eye to eye on what started as a rant. We are coming from two different places. I'm coming from the "ranter" position, you're coming from the "so who are you to speak and what have you done" position. You're appealing to his 'authority'. Me and you obviously have no need to discuss this further. Thanks. |
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| Citizen Pawn | Nov 16 2008, 05:48 PM Post #23 |
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Cool!!!!!!!! Now take that information, and speculate how "Satan" and "Jesus" are somehow involved. Make wild predictions about how some devastating event caused by these people is in the "Master Plan" by the "New World Order", Satanists, and other Goblins. Add in some Storable Food, some Bible quotes, John 3:16, "Revelations", "you need to get more ammo now", Bohemian Grove and Death Cults, add salt, pepper, cook on 350 for 30 minutes ..........serve. Does this dish sound familiar? And what other methods in politics do you know of which mix in GOOD info with BAD info, in the same context? What is that called? Hmmmmmm |
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| tower | Nov 17 2008, 11:43 AM Post #24 |
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I did. It has nothing to do with those two sentences. Someone's rightful place can only be in hell when that person believes in hell.
I'm not claiming omniscience, you're the nutter here, since you believe in the existence of a being that you can't prove exists.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. If you're afraid or uncomfortable with me challenging your beliefs then just don't bring the topic up.
Atheism demands nothing of me, I chose to be an atheist, unlike you, who was taught to believe in a God as a child and decided to stay that way.
I can speak without my view being distorted or skewed because I deny existence of anything that's irrational or supernatural. Unless something is proven to be real, I won't take it into account when discussing matters. That's why "I can speak with authority from this".
Says the one who calls me a nutter and a kiddo. If you believe people need to be told what to do then you're a fascist, plain and simple.
You can't come to faith in something supernatural from research, since belief in the supernatural is supposed to be without proof. Edited by tower, Nov 17 2008, 11:44 AM.
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| alexvegas | Nov 17 2008, 12:01 PM Post #25 |
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What's all this talk of atheism as though it's a faith? It's a LACK of faith. I can't prove there is no god, same as I can't prove there is no Thor or no oscillating penis of death. Atheism needn't be a choice (in my case it isn't, I've just not been presented with any evidence to the contrary), seeing as we are not born with belief in a god. It's the default stance on the matter from birth. |
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